• 17 Oct 2012 11:30 AM
    Message # 1106341

    My maintenance supervisor has been working with the HUD provided PNA tool and has it  about 90% figured out. He reports "The initial creation of the local profile and data inputs are fairly straight forward. However, the gathering of the information and the actual input will be quite an onerous task. One area that may be an issue, is the pricing for the all of items that may be applicable. The tool provides for three options: Bids/Quotes, PHA Estimates, and RSmeans. While quotes and estimates would be acceptable for a few items, the resources required to gather this information on a broad scale, are not available to us. RS Means is a compilation of comprehensive construction cost data. For a price. The subscriptions I have found that would possibly suit our needs are at least $ 400.00.  It may be possible that another PHA already has this tool, or it’s available to us through HUD?"  What are other PHA's doing with this? 

  • 18 Oct 2012 8:32 AM
    Reply # 1107098 on 1106341

    Cathy, we've done nothing with this so far except for verify our data has been correctly transferred from PIC.  We're waiting for further guidance from HUD on this, and I don't believe we will be the only ones with concerns, since this will affect all agencies throughout the U.S.  Certainly someone will pave the way and we'll be able to rely on each other for tips and tricks.  Thanks for sharing what you've learned so far :)


  • 18 Oct 2012 11:14 AM
    Reply # 1107220 on 1106341
    I have done nothing on this-- Is this the Physical Needs Assessment? Are we supposed to do it ourselves or hire an architect to do it? My last one was done by my architect. Pat
  • 18 Oct 2012 1:13 PM
    Reply # 1107363 on 1106341
    Once it's final, I hope we will get good guidance on this.  If it is manageable and we're not mandated to have specific credentials, I may tackle it myself.  It it's too task intensive, I will likely contract it out.  Regardless, it will take time from someone on staff to assist in putting it together.  Another thing to add to the pile :) 
  • 02 Nov 2012 8:48 AM
    Reply # 1120980 on 1106341
    We are currently taking on this task ourselves. The PNA Model took a bit to figure out, but now that we have it, it is actually pretty useful. We have taken the approach to mirror our last PNA that was contracted out, in that we are looking to at least get the same amount of information within this tool. You could go way overboard, but my approach is... if HUD accepted our last PNA model, then they should accept this one as well. What is nice about it is that once it is comlpete, the next time will be extremely easy as you will be able to save all of your information and just make adjustments where necessary. This will also save you money by not having to have a consultant do the work for you. As to the question if you need to hire a consultant. The way I read it is that we are approved to do this ourselves if we have in house experienced people. In our case both myself and my CFP Coordinator are Architects and have worked in the construction field for many years, so we may have the upper hand.

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